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"I maintain that the frustration is an important, almost crucial, ingredient. I think that the best painting involves frustration. The point about the late Rembrandt is not that it's satisfying but on the contrary that it is disturbing and frustrating. Because really, what he has done is to eliminate any plane - anything between that image and you. The Van Dyck hasn't. It says I'm a painting. The Rembrandt says: I am not a painting, I am a real man. But he is not a real man either. What is it then, that you are looking at?"
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